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DESTINATION: Auschwitz

Well worth a visit. I'd personally get a guide and as it's much more informative than walking round yourself. Paint a better picture of the place. They use headphones so you don't have to be stood in ear shot of the guide all the time.

As NickM says make sure you have a big breakfast before you go as there's jack shit to eat once the tour starts and it lasts a few hours.
 
treble99united said:
Going here in a few weeks. Am I right in thinking you need to be there before 10am if you want to look around without a guide?

Looking at getting train from Krakow. What are they like? Do they have any facilities on board as there's some elderly people in our party?
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have you been yet? impressions?
 
mufc77 said:
have you been yet? impressions?
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We went on the train from Krakow Glowny station. Trains aren't particualry modern or plush but glad we did that rather than a taxi or the bus. We got the 7:15 train and it arrived in Oswciem about 9. Got a cab for about £3 to Auschwitz. Once we'd been round there we got the free shuttle bus to Birkenau.

Glad we went and even more so that we got there before 10 so we didn't have to go with a guide. They seemed to rush people around and you also don't get taken in the main exhibition part where there's lots to read. We were the only ones there and as we were leaving (about 1pm) it was getting really busy. It's such a fascinating place, if that's the right word but obviously very sad and thought provoking.
 
redjibber said:
Aushwitz is free entry mate all year round.

as for restrictions i don't believe there are any.

We went round ourselves and then took a 5 minute taxi to Birkeneau and that is 10 times worse than Auschwitz.

Don't plan a party night on the night of your visit as i doubt you'll feel like it, we went out but sat in silence most of the night, truly heart rending stuff.
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Exactly the same with my mates. Saturday night in Krakow with a load of student lovlies dancing round the bar we were in and we just sat there nursing our pints feeling detatched. Birkenau was simply horrific, it didnt need the photos and artifacts of Auschwitz. It felt as it was...a killing factory. We saw it in January after a snowfall and it seemed to make it even worse.
 
70th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz

I watched this video some month ago, and think that everyone should watch what the allied troops found on their arrival at Bergen Belsen. Its truly horrific.

Never should humanity ever stoop to levels this low.

Warning - Some of the scenes in this video are beyond any level of comprehension, and can be quite sickening.

http://documentaryheaven.com/night-will-fall/
 
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It was liberated in 1945, not 1946.

You've had a :o
 
If red issue had been around in 1940 they would probably have had a poll backing the strong German stance against the scrounging minorities and whining about how soft the British government was in comparison.
 
If you haven't read Primo Levi's "If This Is A Man" and "The Truce", you should. No book has had a greater impact on me.
 
i-8-kopites said:
I watched this video some month ago, and think that everyone should watch what the allied troops found on their arrival at Bergen Belsen. Its truly horrific.

Never should humanity ever stoop to levels this low.

Warning - Some of the scenes in this video are beyond any level of comprehension, and can be quite sickening.

http://documentaryheaven.com/night-will-fall/
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While clearly not on the scale of what the Nazis did, humanity sadly stoops as low on a few occasions,

Srebrinica Massacre
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre

Rwandan Genocide
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_Genocide
 
Having seen Auschwitz I and II personally, all I can say is that visiting it is one of the most sobering experiences you could have. I would recommend everyone visit it at least once in your life.

Standing ten foot away from where over a million people were killed is beyond comprehension, as is the room containing the human hair. It truly boggles the mind.

The scale of Auschwitz II is beyond belief.
 
Left Peg said:
Having seen Auschwitz I and II personally, all I can say is that visiting it is one of the most sobering experiences you could have. I would recommend everyone visit it at least once in your life.

Standing ten foot away from where over a million people were killed is beyond comprehension, as is the room containing the human hair. It truly boggles the mind.

The scale of Auschwitz II is beyond belief.
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My lad is there next week. I wish I was going too. I did Dachau the other year and while it's not on same scale it still disturbed me
 
Its important not to forget.

The Armenian genocide occurred during the first world war and witnessed by Germans, some were involved in the holocaust. If something had been done about bring the perpetrators to trial and remembering what had happened may be history might have been different.
http://www.armenian-genocide.org/hitler.html
 
Since I had kids myself I have developed an almost phobia about watching these things. The terror and suffering of these poor people is beyond comprehension. I even had to turn off Schindlers List over Christmas. Horrific.
 
What I find most shocking is that, in the main part, it wasn't just chaotic slaughter: it was incredibly well organised and executed, with countless ordinary people going along with it.
 
i-8-kopites said:
I watched this video some month ago, and think that everyone should watch what the allied troops found on their arrival at Bergen Belsen. Its truly horrific.

Never should humanity ever stoop to levels this low.

Warning - Some of the scenes in this video are beyond any level of comprehension, and can be quite sickening.

http://documentaryheaven.com/night-will-fall/
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Indeed, Fucking awful to watch and take in.

It's very hard to imagine when you look at Germany as a Country today that how the fuck something like this actually happened 70 years ago.

It's also sad and very :o:o that during my youth I sang with others the "Spurs are on the way to Belsen" and hissed when they brought the Jewish flags out. Oh well I suppose we have all done some daft things in our time.
 
ralphie88 said:
If red issue had been around in 1940 they would probably have had a poll backing the strong German stance against the scrounging minorities and whining about how soft the British government was in comparison.
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why? What's the similarities?
 
Catch-33 said:
why? What's the similarities?
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Shh, the regressive left are just finding their voice again.

Everyone that criticises or objects to the immigration fuck up in Europe is a Nazi obviously.
 
ralphie88 said:
If red issue had been around in 1940 they would probably have had a poll backing the strong German stance against the scrounging minorities and whining about how soft the British government was in comparison.
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nah reckon the lefties on here would have been making excuses up for them and saying its "not all Germans", we need to make peace with these people............ bit like old Neville did.
 
SRA said:
nah reckon the lefties on here would have been making excuses up for them and saying its "not all Germans", we need to make peace with these people............ bit like old Neville did.
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"The Jews are capitalists, so it's good their power is being eroded"
 
Shouldn't be long till someone claims the holocaust didn't happen.
 
SRA said:
nah reckon the lefties on here would have been making excuses up for them and saying its "not all Germans", we need to make peace with these people............ bit like old Neville did.
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There's a line of thought that Chamberlain knew the country wasn't ready to go to war in 1936/7 and had to go down the appeasement route while everything got prepared, especially the development of radar.

I can see the logic in that - if we'd faced off to Germany in 1937, it could have been a very short war.
 
Football said:
If you haven't read Primo Levi's "If This Is A Man" and "The Truce", you should. No book has had a greater impact on me.
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'Eichmann In Jerusalem' by Hannah Arendt was the most influential for me alongside 'The Destruction of the European Jews' by Raul Hilberg.
 
SRA said:
nah reckon the lefties on here would have been making excuses up for them and saying its "not all Germans", we need to make peace with these people............ bit like old Neville did.
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Clearly not up to speed history-wise are we? A war to defeat fascism? Doh!
 
SRA said:
Eh? run that by me again.......
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He may be referring to the Spanish Civil War. Look up the International Brigades who went there for fight the fascists.

And bear in mind the British establishment were not, intitially, that impartial to Hitler and the Nazis: probably due to them being terrified of the threat of Communism after what happened to the Tsar and his family.
 
Peteski said:
He may be referring to the Spanish Civil War. Look up the International Brigades who went there for fight the fascists.

And bear in mind the British establishment were not, intitially, that impartial to Hitler and the Nazis: probably due to them being terrified of the threat of Communism after what happened to the Tsar and his family.
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Ah right, cheers.... not sure what that has to do with what I posted about the hypothetical question asked by Ralphie88
 
SRA said:
Ah right, cheers.... not sure what that has to do with what I posted about the hypothetical question asked by Ralphie88
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I think because it was "the lefties" who didn't like Herr Hitler or his other Fascist chums, while the government of the time was desperate not to piss him off.

Don't forget it was a time when a leading newspaper of the day (take a guess, if you don't know this story) could carry the front page headline "Hurrah for the Blackshirts!", in support of our home-grown Nazis.
 
Peteski said:
I think because it was "the lefties" who didn't like Herr Hitler or his other Fascist chums, while the government of the time was desperate not to piss him off.

Don't forget it was a time when a leading newspaper of the day (take a guess, if you don't know this story) could carry the front page headline "Hurrah for the Blackshirts!", in support of our home-grown Nazis.
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I was on about the lefties on red issue. Agree with you on the historic bit. Wonder what Jeremy Corbyn would have done/said?
 
So people back then were turning a blind eye to Hitler, and these days people are doing the same thing with Al Baghdadi. So maybe that's what people mean?
 
Catch-33 said:
So people back then were turning a blind eye to Hitler, and these days people are doing the same thing with Al Baghdadi. So maybe that's what people mean?
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Yeah that's sort of what I meant, cheers :D **


**not all lefties, just some of the ones on here....
 
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Went last year, it was fucking horrible, wouldn't recommend it to anyone.
 
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