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NONSENSE: Conspiracy theories, nonsense and cranks (not exclusive)

I was a bit sceptical but the inquiry is already pulling back a little bit of the curtain.

Yesterday it saw Chris Wormald, who is Permanent Secretary of the Department of Health and Social Care. It appears that the Departmental Board had a deep dive on the threat of a pandemic back in 2016. It produced some pretty shocking numbers in some scenarios but, not only was none of it acted on, Jeremy Hunt couldn't even be persuaded to turn up to the meetings. This matches his behaviour a few months later during Operation Cygnus when he stopped 'playing' halfway through because he didn't like being asked to make difficult decisions.

So a flu pandemic plan from 2011 went unchanged as our only pandemic readiness. Meanwhile civil servants time was being prioritised on planning for a no-deal Brexit.

Imagine three more years of this? The political classes will hope that most people will never get to hear about this level of detail.
 
POLO said:
I was a bit sceptical but the inquiry is already pulling back a little bit of the curtain.

Yesterday it saw Chris Wormald, who is Permanent Secretary of the Department of Health and Social Care. It appears that the Departmental Board had a deep dive on the threat of a pandemic back in 2016. It produced some pretty shocking numbers in some scenarios but, not only was none of it acted on, Jeremy Hunt couldn't even be persuaded to turn up to the meetings. This matches his behaviour a few months later during Operation Cygnus when he stopped 'playing' halfway through because he didn't like being asked to make difficult decisions.

So a flu pandemic plan from 2011 went unchanged as our only pandemic readiness. Meanwhile civil servants time was being prioritised on planning for a no-deal Brexit.

Imagine three more years of this? The political classes will hope that most people will never get to hear about this level of detail.
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It's almost enough to make me hope the cunts satay if office so they face the music when found guilty of everything.


Almost.:rolleyes:
 
Quite impressed with Hunt here, seems to be reasonably honest and accepting the fuck ups we (they) made early on, especially thinking we knew what we were doing and not learning lessons from foreigners who had actually had experience with coronavirus outbreaks. Basically, should have locked down earlier.

He added: "One of the very first [questions] we should have been asking ourselves is, 'is this one of those pandemics that you can actually slow and save lives early on or not?' And I don't think we had asked those questions," Hunt said.

By the time the first UK lockdown happened, "transmission had increased to about 5,000 a day... Had we got on the case much earlier with [a lockdown], we might have avoided that," he said.
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Matt Hancock has been on today. Says the decision to move civil service staff away from pandemic preparation to Brexit no deal prep was done on the advice of Chris Whitty. He says he just signed it off.

Will be interested if/when Whitty gets the chance to respond to this.
 
red red robbo said:
Quite impressed with Hunt here, seems to be reasonably honest and accepting the fuck ups we (they) made early on, especially thinking we knew what we were doing and not learning lessons from foreigners who had actually had experience with coronavirus outbreaks. Basically, should have locked down earlier.
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Have watched some of the inquiry, not heard herd immunity mentioned once, that was the policy until they realised the NHS couldn’t cope.

I 100% agree that we should have locked down at least 2 weeks earlier than we did, plenty of people not here due to that decision.

Italy was telling us what to expect, we kept travel from that region open as well.
 
POLO said:
Matt Hancock has been on today. Says the decision to move civil service staff away from pandemic preparation to Brexit no deal prep was done on the advice of Chris Whitty. He says he just signed it off.

Will be interested if/when Whitty gets the chance to respond to this.
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Why would Whitty have any input on brexit planning :confused:
 
Yet another horrendous waste of tax payers money. Making the rich even richer.
 
kilgore said:
Yet another horrendous waste of tax payers money. Making the rich even richer.
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They aren't there for us they're there for their sponsors.

When you become a Tory MP, it's like joining the mafia.
 
Covid :D


Where did it go?


What happened to all the scary new variants?
 
Red Rum said:
Covid :D


Where did it go?


What happened to all the scary new variants?
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The nightly briefings stopped, ergo the majority of the country who think their TV always tells them the truth now think it’s fine.

Despite the death rate now being higher….

No daily updates by Ian from Orford on those I’m afraid.
 
Red Rum said:
Covid :D


Where did it go?


What happened to all the scary new variants?
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Excess deaths at 25,700 this calendar year compared with pre pandemic levels.

Lots of people still dieing.
 
Stoned Moses said:
Is it? Can you explain the similarities? :confused:
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If you can't see them, you must be blind?

You can only be a 'made' man if you were born in Sicily.

And you can only join the Conservative Party if you're a cunt.
 
Red Rum said:
Covid :D


Where did it go?


What happened to all the scary new variants?
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You didn't like being told about them, and all the people dying in hospitals from covid, so they stopped telling you.
 
wayne_looney said:
If you can't see them, you must be blind?

You can only be a 'made' man if you were born in Sicily.

And you can only join the Conservative Party if you're a cunt.
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Anyone else picturing Wayne in 1950's brooklyn, sat outside a pizza parlour in his big fat suit, moaning about the weather. :D
 
flixton said:
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Excess deaths at 25,700 this calendar year compared with pre pandemic levels.

Lots of people still dieing.
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Is that due to Covid or lockdown?
 
Mogg on the radio earlier, trying to defend Johnson by calling the enquiry biased.

He either backs the enquiry or he has to come out with this bullshit.

He backed Johnson in everything he did, so he has nowhere else to go.

But he has no shame and refuses to admit how much of a cunt this makes him look.

These pricks are running this country.:o
 
Red Rum said:
Covid :D


Where did it go?


What happened to all the scary new variants?
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It didn't go anywhere. We just understand more about it now and have better ways of managing it. The vaccines were very effective at doing their job.
 
Redtreble said:
It didn't go anywhere. We just understand more about it now and have better ways of managing it. The vaccines were very effective at doing their job.
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Plenty are still dying with covid, hundreds per week or so the official figures show.
 
twatlock said:
Plenty are still dying with covid, hundreds per week or so the official figures show.
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Of course, I never said they weren't. Nobody ever said that the vaccine would reduce deaths to zero and I dare say there's still a lot of people out there who never even got the jab in the first place.

But there's no denying the overall success of the vaccine program. The very fact somebody on here is asking where COVID's gone as if it's some kind of gotcha tells you how successful the vaccines have been. I'll bet on January 1st 2000 he was also asking the world why there was no sign of the millenium bug too.
 
Redtreble said:
Of course, I never said they weren't. Nobody ever said that the vaccine would reduce deaths to zero and I dare say there's still a lot of people out there who never even got the jab in the first place.

But there's no denying the overall success of the vaccine program. The very fact somebody on here is asking where COVID's gone as if it's some kind of gotcha tells you how successful the vaccines have been. I'll bet on January 1st 2000 he was also asking the world why there was no sign of the millenium bug too.
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Do you not think that herd immunity played a big part? Omicron was more transmissible which probably picked up loads of stragglers.
 
fergieschewy said:
Do you not think that herd immunity played a big part? Omicron was more transmissible which probably picked up loads of stragglers.
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Yes, and that's exactly what the vaccines provided.
 
fergieschewy said:
With not from.
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When covid triggers a co morbidity it makes this nonsensical response meaningless. If I die from my heart failure because covid triggers symptoms that make my heart unable to cope then your fatuous phrase is meaningless because the outcome is death.
 
Redtreble said:
Of course, I never said they weren't. Nobody ever said that the vaccine would reduce deaths to zero and I dare say there's still a lot of people out there who never even got the jab in the first place.

But there's no denying the overall success of the vaccine program. The very fact somebody on here is asking where COVID's gone as if it's some kind of gotcha tells you how successful the vaccines have been. I'll bet on January 1st 2000 he was also asking the world why there was no sign of the millenium bug too.
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I followed the science with regards the vaccines, yes they saved millions of lives worldwide as they trained our immune systems to build antibodies.

Nothing works 100% , the vaccines worked better than even the science anticipated.

The virus also mutated more to upper rather than lower respiratory virus which helped the old but did mean more hospital admissions for the young.

In all the vaccine was something this country got very right, plenty of fuck ups elsewhere meant too many died in the first wave.
 
twatlock said:
Nobody dies of covid according to you only people who die are because of the vaccines.

Scouse cunt.
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Unlike you who in response to someone bringing up the worldwide excess deaths your first response was to ask if that was due to Covid…

It’s not.
 
Old Iron Balls said:
Unlike you who in response to someone bringing up the worldwide excess deaths your first response was to ask if that was due to Covid…

It’s not.
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When was that? Not on this thread, you must be going back a year or more, the first year of the virus you could pin most of the excess deaths on covid.
 
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twatlock said:
When was that? Not on this thread, you must be going back a year or more, the first year of the virus you could pin most of the excess deaths on covid.
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My bad, that was Kirwill, apologies.
 
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