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NONSENSE: Conspiracy theories, nonsense and cranks

Will say the same thing I said i the match thread.

There's been a novel disease that ran through the population and had a smorgasbord of effects on various areas of the body. That seems like a fairly good candidate.

That's if there's been an increase at all. Millions of people attend football matches every season, they're often getting very excited, they're often in cold weather. Some of them are bound to collapse or kick the bucket. Before 2020 I never saw a match stopped for it, but it must have happened, the game just didn't stop for it.
 
This boring shite again.

They stop games now, they never used to. That's the difference.
 
Peodeiktophiliac extraordinaire said:
Very rare to see one until 2021 and now it's once a week, sometimes more.

What's the cause then?
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Like I said in the match day thread, do you have the stats to show they're more frequent now?

Or are you basing it on the fact the game is actually stopped now when it never used to be so we weren't aware...
 
Prideofalleurope said:
Like I said in the match day thread, do you have the stats to show they're more frequent now?

Or are you basing it on the fact the game is actually stopped now when it never used to be so we weren't aware...
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Have you got evidence for the contrary?

I'm just asking the question, they seem to happen regularly.
 
It's a tactic by the team that's not winning.

It's either that or crowd mither.

Neither always guaranteed to work. Much like an EtH substitution.
 
Bulletproof said:
Will say the same thing I said i the match thread.

There's been a novel disease that ran through the population and had a smorgasbord of effects on various areas of the body. That seems like a fairly good candidate.

That's if there's been an increase at all. Millions of people attend football matches every season, they're often getting very excited, they're often in cold weather. Some of them are bound to collapse or kick the bucket. Before 2020 I never saw a match stopped for it, but it must have happened, the game just didn't stop for it.
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This.

They brought in a rule that says the game has to stop so the medical team can help out, and so now theres way more attention brought to it than there was and people mistakenly think its an increase in incidents.

You put 10s of thousands of people in the same space together for any period of time, somebody is going to need medical attention. Same thing applies at stuff like festivals, gigs, etc. Its always been that way.
 
Bulletproof said:
Will say the same thing I said i the match thread.

There's been a novel disease that ran through the population and had a smorgasbord of effects on various areas of the body. That seems like a fairly good candidate.

That's if there's been an increase at all. Millions of people attend football matches every season, they're often getting very excited, they're often in cold weather. Some of them are bound to collapse or kick the bucket. Before 2020 I never saw a match stopped for it, but it must have happened, the game just didn't stop for it.
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There was also a national rollout of poorly tested, poorly produced vaccines, particularly mRNA, with zero long term clinical safety data, for which Cardio complications are an acknowledged risk.

People don’t like to talk about it though because it would mean them admitting that they were misled and duped by people they put their trust in to have their best interests at heart, or worse, bullied, coerced & shamed others into taking them.
 
Krom said:
There was also a national rollout of poorly tested, poorly produced vaccines, particularly mRNA, with zero long term clinical safety data, for which Cardio complications are an acknowledged risk.

People don’t like to talk about it though because it would mean them admitting that they were misled and duped by people they put their trust in to have their best interests at heart, or worse, bullied, coerced & shamed others into taking them.
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Its not a vaccine issue, ffs :D

Every gig I've ever been to has had a medical area with people getting attended to, going back nearly 30 years.

If you put thousands of people together in the same place for long enough, some of them will need medical assisstance.
 
Peodeiktophiliac extraordinaire said:
You have proposed a question and even added ridicule into the mix, so it is also up to you to back your theory up.
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Well my theory is that the game is now being stopped for medical emergencies and attention is being brought to it, where as previously that wasn't the case and we'd be blissfully unaware.

I thought that was clear in my post.
 
Prideofalleurope said:
Well my theory is that the game is now being stopped for medical emergencies and attention is being brought to it, where as previously that wasn't the case and we'd be blissfully unaware.

I thought that was clear in my post.
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Cool, it's absolutely fine to have differing opinions.
 
I watched a chap not too far away in the south stand getting his chest pressed by paramedics one champions league night under fergie.
The game went on as this was going on. The chap was revived.
 
Surprised it’s not more at OT, these fuckers give me a heart attack most games or make me slip into a coma
 
Quick stop the game so we can all pretend we give a fuck
 
St Johns and other medical staff have been at football games for as long as there have been football games.

The suggestion that this is a new phenomena is borne entirely out of misinformed paranoia.
 
Alistair Flair said:
Surprised it’s not more at OT, these fuckers give me a heart attack most games or make me slip into a coma
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I’d expect the attempted suicide rate to have increased.
 
When that bloke at Bolton died the other week, I was told the paramedics weren't allowed to run, which kind of makes sense in case they slip it anything, but also they weren't allowed to cut across the pitch like substitutes walking off, not sure if that is part of the procedure.

Imagine your old man or mate having a heart attack next to you and you've got to watch 2 paramedics walking along and taking the long way round
 
Alistair Flair said:
Surprised it’s not more at OT, these fuckers give me a heart attack most games or make me slip into a coma
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Should be a warning against watching United when drowsy or tired :o
 
Prideofalleurope said:
You haven't given an opinion
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We all know what he thinks.

And if you don't, pretend you've suffered a massive head trauma and then only read information about the situation from Twitter, and you'll be pretty close.
 
Krom said:
There was also a national rollout of poorly tested, poorly produced vaccines, particularly mRNA, with zero long term clinical safety data, for which Cardio complications are an acknowledged risk.

People don’t like to talk about it though because it would mean them admitting that they were misled and duped by people they put their trust in to have their best interests at heart, or worse, bullied, coerced & shamed others into taking them.
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mockingbirdred said:
This.

They brought in a rule that says the game has to stop so the medical team can help out, and so now theres way more attention brought to it than there was and people mistakenly think its an increase in incidents.

You put 10s of thousands of people in the same space together for any period of time, somebody is going to need medical attention. Same thing applies at stuff like festivals, gigs, etc. Its always been that way.
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I agree with both these statements.
 
To be fair, it did bring a moment of excitement to an otherwise dull afternoon.
 
Alistair Flair said:
Surprised it’s not more at OT, these fuckers give me a heart attack most games or make me slip into a coma
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If they stopped the game everytime Barthez gave me and the rest of the Stretford End a heart attack, we'd still be playing out the 2003 season.
 
mockingbirdred said:
Its not a vaccine issue, ffs :D

Every gig I've ever been to has had a medical area with people getting attended to, going back nearly 30 years.

If you put thousands of people together in the same place for long enough, some of them will need medical assisstance.
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We don’t know what the cause of today’s was, for sure.

And nobody is saying that medical incidents didn’t occur before sport started again, post COVID.

What is undeniable, and one would have to be delusional to claim otherwise, is that the rate of these instances, from punters, and more worryingly, healthy young athletes, globally, across all sports, has increased.

What is utterly baffling and astounding, is that nobody appears to have the appetite to investigate the reason for this thoroughly.
 
Before games were stopped on here I'd say at least 3-4 times a season I'd see a thread asking whether anyone knew how the bloke in South Stand was who was seen in a bad way during the game. Assuming it wasn't just a Man Utd related thing multiply that by the number of Premiership teams and there's a lot of incidents we didn't know about each week. Even if you reduce the numbers relating to attendances as in a 75,000 crowd there's twice the likelihood of a 37,500 crowd, over the season that's a fairly high number of incidents.
 
Krom said:
We don’t know what the cause of today’s was, for sure.

And nobody is saying that medical incidents didn’t occur before sport started again, post COVID.

What is undeniable, and one would have to be delusional to claim otherwise, is that the rate of these instances, from punters, and more worryingly, healthy young athletes, globally, across all sports, has increased.

What is utterly baffling and astounding, is that nobody appears to have the appetite to investigate the reason for this thoroughly.
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I'm only going to ask this once, as I - like billions of other people on the planet - have no desire to go down this misinformation rabbit hole again and am quite happy to let the pandemic stay in the past where it belongs:

Where is your properly peer-reviewed, confirmed medical or statistical evidence?

Don't link to Youtube, Twitter, Instagram, someone's blog, Tik Tok, or any conspiracy theory website. Just copy and paste the link to a confirmed, verified source for these claims.
 
mockingbirdred said:
I'm only going to ask this once, as I - like billions of other people on the planet - have no desire to go down this misinformation rabbit hole again and am quite happy to let the pandemic stay in the past where it belongs:

Where is your properly peer-reviewed, confirmed medical or statistical evidence?

Don't link to Youtube, Twitter, Instagram, someone's blog, Tik Tok, or any conspiracy theory website. Just copy and paste the link to a confirmed, verified source for these claims.
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www.bhf.org.uk

Early heart disease deaths rise to 14-year high

BHF finds that the number of people dying before the age of 75 in England from heart and circulatory diseases has risen to the highest level in over a decade
www.bhf.org.uk www.bhf.org.uk
 
worthysmokers said:
www.bhf.org.uk

Early heart disease deaths rise to 14-year high

BHF finds that the number of people dying before the age of 75 in England from heart and circulatory diseases has risen to the highest level in over a decade
www.bhf.org.uk www.bhf.org.uk
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So there was actually more deaths in 2008. What have the crackpots blamed that on? :unsure:

A Bolton supporting mate posted this a couple of weeks ago after the incident at the Reebok

A family has today possibly lost a son, brother, dad, nephew etc….BWFC a fan. Go on to social media and it’s full of sadistic weirdos blaming a vaccine and different organistaions. Imagine if that’s a person you know and you have full blown weirdos saying he’s been murdered before he’s even left the ground! What a weird time to be alive.
 
mockingbirdred said:
Whereabouts in there does it say that the rise is linked to vaccines?
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Krom said
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And nobody is saying that medical incidents didn’t occur before sport started again, post COVID.

What is undeniable, and one would have to be delusional to claim otherwise, is that the rate of these instances, from punters, and more worryingly, healthy young athletes, globally, across all sports, has increased."

you asked for a proper link to his claims, ive just provided a link, that shows they have increased. :confused:
 
ezra royals said:
So there was actually more deaths in 2008. What have the crackpots blamed that on? :unsure:

A Bolton supporting mate posted this a couple of weeks ago after the incident at the Reebok

A family has today possibly lost a son, brother, dad, nephew etc….BWFC a fan. Go on to social media and it’s full of sadistic weirdos blaming a vaccine and different organistaions. Imagine if that’s a person you know and you have full blown weirdos saying he’s been murdered before he’s even left the ground! What a weird time to be alive.
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There is the real problem.
 
ezra royals said:
So there was actually deaths in 2008. What have the crackpots blamed that on? :unsure:

A Bolton supporting mate posted this a couple of weeks ago after the incident at the Reebok

A family has today possibly lost a son, brother, dad, nephew etc….BWFC a fan. Go on to social media and it’s full of sadistic weirdos blaming a vaccine and different organistaions. Imagine if that’s a person you know and you have full blown weirdos saying he’s been murdered before he’s even left the ground! What a weird time to be alive.
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It used to be the case that these people were isolated within their own communities - probably why they adopted such crackpot ideas to begin with. I'm sure they've always been around, but they were typically just regarded as the local oddballs.

Now we live in an age where social media can join all the cranks up together into a singular, motivated group that can actually exert a bit of sway and influence via collective sharing of misinformation.

It's an exceedingly fucking dangerous phenomena. See also these wackos that believe the UAP shite - probably the exact same people, tbf. Collectively able to set the development of the species back with their unfounded, paranoid garbage.
 
mockingbirdred said:
Its not a vaccine issue, ffs :D

Every gig I've ever been to has had a medical area with people getting attended to, going back nearly 30 years.

If you put thousands of people together in the same place for long enough, some of them will need medical assisstance.
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Agree with this totally.

Over the years I've seen folk laid out on the forecourt ill and even Wembley Way. Back in the day there would be occasional call over the tannoy too.

EDIT Ezra Royals and Mockingbird are also right and I am going to throw in that we are about to head into some real world effects of the anti-vax movement with a resurgence of measles for fuck's sake. And perhaps 20-25 years from now all the cranks who won't let their daughters get vaccinated against measles might start finding some awful things have happened to unborn grandchildren too.
 
worthysmokers said:
Krom said
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And nobody is saying that medical incidents didn’t occur before sport started again, post COVID.

What is undeniable, and one would have to be delusional to claim otherwise, is that the rate of these instances, from punters, and more worryingly, healthy young athletes, globally, across all sports, has increased."

you asked for a proper link to his claims, ive just provided a link, that shows they have increased. :confused:
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No, no, no, I'm not playing this silly little pedantic game.

He - and several others - believe the increase is due to vaccinations.

In fact, I'm just going to stop posting now. I'm not getting drawn into this fucking retarded shit again.
 
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