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NONSENSE: Conspiracy theories, nonsense and cranks

No, no, no, I'm not playing this silly little pedantic game.

He - and several others - believe the increase is due to vaccinations.

In fact, I'm just going to stop posting now. I'm not getting drawn into this fucking retarded shit again.
Yeah, but you specifically asked for information to show has there been any increase, as though the increase claim was made up and passed around in conspiracy circles only.

So i went to have a look myself, because my perception was ive heard they had increased, i found that and thought id post it.
 
Blokes coked off their tits having heart attacks.
 
Its the spike from covid and the jibby jabby causing the extra heart issues imo
 
The more likely reason is that there's probably far more one cunts at the matches now, they were only teenagers in the 80s
 
I’m by no means an anti vaxxer. However you can’t deny there’s a correlation between vaccinations and the increase in amount of heart related emergencies we’re seeing both at matches and outside of football since vaccine rollout.
 
It used to be the case that these people were isolated within their own communities - probably why they adopted such crackpot ideas to begin with. I'm sure they've always been around, but they were typically just regarded as the local oddballs.

Now we live in an age where social media can join all the cranks up together into a singular, motivated group that can actually exert a bit of sway and influence via collective sharing of misinformation.

It's an exceedingly fucking dangerous phenomena. See also these wackos that believe the UAP shite - probably the exact same people, tbf. Collectively able to set the development of the species back with their unfounded, paranoid garbage.


I seen a video of Katie Hopkins wittering on about excess deaths the other week
She specifically mentioned it was in the Lancet but conveniently ignored the bit where they put

The causes of these excess deaths are likely to be multiple and could include the direct effects of Covid-19 infection,
acute pressures on NHS acute services resulting in poorer outcomes from episodes of acute illness, and disruption to chronic disease detection and management.




A lot of people seem to think "Doing their own research" means trawling the internet until they find something they agree with and ignoring everything else.
 
Seeing Anthony score today sent some Welsh spacker over the edge,.
 
COVID was/is apparently cardio toxic.
The vaccine against covid, was, in itself, mildly cardio toxic (orders of magnitude less so than the virus it was designed to protect against).
I absolutely accept that the vaccine against covid has a a chance of fucking you up.
But, saying that, you must also concede that the COVID virus itself has a much, much, much more likely chance of fucking you up.
It's like campaigning against seatbelts cause some poor cunt was trapped/decapitated by one vs the millions of lives they saved.
 
So there was actually more deaths in 2008. What have the crackpots blamed that on? :unsure:

A Bolton supporting mate posted this a couple of weeks ago after the incident at the Reebok

A family has today possibly lost a son, brother, dad, nephew etc….BWFC a fan. Go on to social media and it’s full of sadistic weirdos blaming a vaccine and different organistaions. Imagine if that’s a person you know and you have full blown weirdos saying he’s been murdered before he’s even left the ground! What a weird time to be alive.
MMR Jabs! Only 150 billion have had them in the last 100 years, so they should pause them until we know they are safe.
 
One 'medical emergency' at Wolves was when someone fell down the stairs pissed up and needed treatment. :D
 
A mate had a ‘medical episode’ at OT about 20yrs ago. St John’s ambulance got him on a stretcher and wheeled him round the pitch to the tunnel while the game was on. (The soft cunt fainted and was fine)
 
"
The health of those who have fallen ill has become the priority over the continuation of the action.


There is nothing new here but a change of attitude. Far from it foreshadowing doom, it is a positive development. First responders say that a break in play reduces the risk to the patient. It calms the crowd, it makes it easier for medics to move around because they are not blocking views and it allows them to focus and communicate without being distracted by shouting and chanting. Plus, it means club doctors can get involved if needed."

Makes sense, but do we know when the bit in bold came into action.
 
"
The health of those who have fallen ill has become the priority over the continuation of the action.


There is nothing new here but a change of attitude. Far from it foreshadowing doom, it is a positive development. First responders say that a break in play reduces the risk to the patient. It calms the crowd, it makes it easier for medics to move around because they are not blocking views and it allows them to focus and communicate without being distracted by shouting and chanting. Plus, it means club doctors can get involved if needed."

Makes sense, but do we know when the bit in bold came into action.
Must be fairly recent - I was at a game maybe five, six years ago with a mate and his dad, the latter had a (thankfully minor) heart attack during the game. I doubt anyone but those sat in the same block would have known about it.
 
I'm only going to ask this once, as I - like billions of other people on the planet - have no desire to go down this misinformation rabbit hole again and am quite happy to let the pandemic stay in the past where it belongs:

Where is your properly peer-reviewed, confirmed medical or statistical evidence?

Don't link to Youtube, Twitter, Instagram, someone's blog, Tik Tok, or any conspiracy theory website. Just copy and paste the link to a confirmed, verified source for these claims.
The mRNA vaccines are at this point acknowledged to:



1. Cause elevated IgG4 spike antibody levels through repeat mRNA boosting, leading to immune tolerance & spike protein roaming unfettered through the body. This could lead to a chronic IgG4 Related Disease, and subsequent organ failure.



Long term clinical impacts: Unknown.



2. Cause Myocarditis by the FDA/CDC as early as May 2021. The claim is that these are rare but….



Service code 63399 (MRI diagnostic to detect mRNA vaccine induced Myocarditis in borderline cases) has been claimed against over 2,000 times in two years on Australia’s Medicare Benefits Schedule. That’s just for borderline cases where X-Ray, ECG & Troponin cannot clearly diagnose it. So what’s the definition of “rare”?



Long term clinical safety impacts: Unknown. Actually Cleveland Clinic, one of the best in the business, has Myocarditis prognosis of 20% mortality after 2 years, and 50% after 5 years. They disingenuously claim that COVID vaccine induced Myocarditis is mild & self resolves. But they have no idea whether this is true, because there’s no long term studies to confirm this.

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/22129-myocarditis





3. Contain DNA contamination from the mass production process, including an SV40 promoter region that could cause oncogenic effects via interaction with the P53 gene. You can listen to Kevin McKernan’s testifying to the Massachusetts Legislature. Or you can choose not to. He has his critics, but he is a tenured Geneticist who worked on the Human Genome Project & visited the Whitehouse to be acknowledged for his work. Other Geneticists have replicated his work in the US, Japan, Germany & Canada.



Long term clinical safety impacts: Unknown.



This ignores also the stop codon readthroughs & amino acid mutations caused by using N1-Methyl-PseudoUridine instead of natural PseudoUridine in the mRNA sequence.



Long term clinical safety impacts: Unknown.



Beyond the above, EUROMOMO data from excess death reporting in Europe shows that children died at a greater rate in 2022, after the vaccination rollout & with a structurally and functionally benign Omicron, compared to 2020 when the earlier variants were more dangerous & there were no vaccines.







Given the EU approved for 5-11 year olds in November 2021, and for 12-15 year olds in late May 2021, one should consider this a significant safety signal that needs to be investigated.

And that’s all anybody sensible is asking for. And making dismissive suggestions that this should be “left in the past” given the above, is a disgraceful precedent for future pandemic response & vaccine production.

There isn’t any “peer reviewed study” proving the claims. Nobody is properly looking. A case in point, our own government.

So while there isn’t a definitive link to the vaccines, there isn’t one to the virus either. Nor lockdowns. Nor pull forward effect. Nor climate change. There are excess deaths and chronic injuries occurring. And they need to be investigated.

Please do me the courtesy of not linking any “fact checker” rubbish, given the public health data linked above supports investigation independent of government & industry capture. And please stop conflating “every medical emergency at the match must be the vaccine cranks”, with the very real problem with elevated deaths & chronic conditions that have occurred since 2021 and persist today.
 
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The same cretins diagnosing medical incidents from the comfort of their sofas.

There was a medical emergency at the League Cup Final against the bar codes.
Paramedics and stewards running all over in a panic.

The emergency? Pissed bloke face planting into the row in front of him.

Luckily it was in the top tier so I'm guessing the camera didn't pick it up.
No doubt if they did he'd have been yet another vaccine victim for the armchair medical experts to diagnose from afar.
 
This boring shite again.

They stop games now, they never used to. That's the difference.
Stopped reading the rest of the thread here as there is obviously only one sane person on the thread. As above.
 
Why pretend to ask a question when you’ll just ignore the answers that are much more logical than any theory that you’ve been spoon fed from a meme on Facebook?

Without even looking any deeper into what these medical emergencies are, the simple fact is that they now stop the game for these emergencies. They didn’t do that before, so it’s obvious it’s going to seem like more now because you hardly ever heard of it before.
 
You're from Yorkshire.
Everyone I know from Yorkshire thinks this.
I'm vaccinated, only because I was forced to have them to go on holiday mind you.

I'm not ignoring the argument that they stop the game so it's more obvious, I think that plays a small part, but I also think these incidents are more common.
 
The vaccines cause blood clots. It’s a fact. Astra Zeneca was that bad they banned it and now one the largest compensation claims of its type is in action for vaccine injuries / deaths. Anyone denying it is as bad as a conspiracy theorist the other way.


The fact they were encouraging people of all ages to have it is fucking sick. Hopefully manslaughter charges follow.
 
Krom said
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And nobody is saying that medical incidents didn’t occur before sport started again, post COVID.

What is undeniable, and one would have to be delusional to claim otherwise, is that the rate of these instances, from punters, and more worryingly, healthy young athletes, globally, across all sports, has increased."

you asked for a proper link to his claims, ive just provided a link, that shows they have increased. :confused:
Yes, increased since the year before the vaccines were rolled out (if you bother to read the article) and in line with ever declining rates of improvement going back almost another decade.
 
Yes, increased since the year before the vaccines were rolled out (if you bother to read the article) and in line with ever declining rates of improvement going back almost another decade.
I only provided a link to the claim heart issues have raised amongst young people, from a non twitter/facebook/conspiracy source.
 
I only provided a link to the claim heart issues have raised amongst young people, from a non twitter/facebook/conspiracy source.
Aye, and i'm just pointing out its not particularly supportive of the vaccine theory others are putting forward.
 
Covid vaccinations.
Careful, you will get called a conspiracy theorist? I wonder where all the bell ends are on here who were giving people shit who questioned the jabs in the first place. 🤡
 
Careful, you will get called a conspiracy theorist? I wonder where all the bell ends are on here who were giving people shit who questioned the jabs in the first place. 🤡
We're all dead, murdered by the government.
 
The mRNA vaccines are at this point acknowledged to:



1. Cause elevated IgG4 spike antibody levels through repeat mRNA boosting, leading to immune tolerance & spike protein roaming unfettered through the body. This could lead to a chronic IgG4 Related Disease, and subsequent organ failure.



Long term clinical impacts: Unknown.



2. Cause Myocarditis by the FDA/CDC as early as May 2021. The claim is that these are rare but….



Service code 63399 (MRI diagnostic to detect mRNA vaccine induced Myocarditis in borderline cases) has been claimed against over 2,000 times in two years on Australia’s Medicare Benefits Schedule. That’s just for borderline cases where X-Ray, ECG & Troponin cannot clearly diagnose it. So what’s the definition of “rare”?



Long term clinical safety impacts: Unknown. Actually Cleveland Clinic, one of the best in the business, has Myocarditis prognosis of 20% mortality after 2 years, and 50% after 5 years. They disingenuously claim that COVID vaccine induced Myocarditis is mild & self resolves. But they have no idea whether this is true, because there’s no long term studies to confirm this.

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/22129-myocarditis





3. Contain DNA contamination from the mass production process, including an SV40 promoter region that could cause oncogenic effects via interaction with the P53 gene. You can listen to Kevin McKernan’s testifying to the Massachusetts Legislature. Or you can choose not to. He has his critics, but he is a tenured Geneticist who worked on the Human Genome Project & visited the Whitehouse to be acknowledged for his work. Other Geneticists have replicated his work in the US, Japan, Germany & Canada.



Long term clinical safety impacts: Unknown.



This ignores also the stop codon readthroughs & amino acid mutations caused by using N1-Methyl-PseudoUridine instead of natural PseudoUridine in the mRNA sequence.



Long term clinical safety impacts: Unknown.



Beyond the above, EUROMOMO data from excess death reporting in Europe shows that children died at a greater rate in 2022, after the vaccination rollout & with a structurally and functionally benign Omicron, compared to 2020 when the earlier variants were more dangerous & there were no vaccines.







Given the EU approved for 5-11 year olds in November 2021, and for 12-15 year olds in late May 2021, one should consider this a significant safety signal that needs to be investigated.

And that’s all anybody sensible is asking for. And making dismissive suggestions that this should be “left in the past” given the above, is a disgraceful precedent for future pandemic response & vaccine production.

There isn’t any “peer reviewed study” proving the claims. Nobody is properly looking. A case in point, our own government.

So while there isn’t a definitive link to the vaccines, there isn’t one to the virus either. Nor lockdowns. Nor pull forward effect. Nor climate change. There are excess deaths and chronic injuries occurring. And they need to be investigated.

Please do me the courtesy of not linking any “fact checker” rubbish, given the public health data linked above supports investigation independent of government & industry capture. And please stop conflating “every medical emergency at the match must be the vaccine cranks”, with the very real problem with elevated deaths & chronic conditions that have occurred since 2021 and persist today.

So, in short, there isn't a demonstrable link between vaccines and an increase in heart conditions, except in very rare cases - which is absolutely no different to any other vaccine ever created ever and information that has been available to the general public since the very get go.

Cheers. I rest my case.
 
One thing I've noticed mate is there's a connection with countries that have many UAP reports and these covid medical emergencies, thoughts? :unsure:
:D

Clearly the vaccines are an alien bio-tech being administered by big pharma/big government/biggins to soften up the species by making us genetically more susceptible to heart attacks so they can more easily overthrow the planet and enslave the human race.

I mean, it's fucking obvious really, when you look at it.
 
So, in short, there isn't a demonstrable link between vaccines and an increase in heart conditions, except in very rare cases - which is absolutely no different to any other vaccine ever created ever and information that has been available to the general public since the very get go.

Cheers. I rest my case.
There are several, very significant safety signals that you either do not understand the implications of, or, are willfully ignoring. I get you’re academic, but you’re not Life Sciences academic, which explains why you can’t address the actual information provided and instead resort to the usual childish generic nonsense response.

Your take is; “Well, there’s no “peer reviewed” papers that *prove* it, so it must be false”. Without considering, that if people are not looking seriously today at the safety signals and investigating, then of course, there never will be any papers. You discount/don’t understand that even with reviewing the safety signals, it can take 5-7 years to get long term clinical safety data. Which is a bit fucking late when you’re stuffing it in billions of arms in a matter of months after little to no testing. You ignore that the mass production process for the vaccine development differed from the clinical trial production process, which was cleaner & less likely to produce adverse reactions. You also ignored the AZ vaccine & J&J COVID vaccines that were pulled or paused due to clinical safety signals. Why the mRNA ones were allowed to continue given we know the FDA & CDC were aware of the Myocarditis risks in May 2021, we’ll hopefully one day find out.

But please, address the actual points, or admit that you don’t really have a scooby what you’re on about. :)
 
There are several, very significant safety signals that you either do not understand the implications of, or, are willfully ignoring. I get you’re academic, but you’re not Life Sciences academic, which explains why you can’t address the actual information provided and instead resort to the usual childish generic nonsense response.

Your take is; “Well, there’s no “peer reviewed” papers that *prove* it, so it must be false”. Without considering, that if people are not looking seriously today at the safety signals and investigating, then of course, there never will be any papers. You discount/don’t understand that even with reviewing the safety signals, it can take 5-7 years to get long term clinical safety data. Which is a bit fucking late when you’re stuffing it in billions of arms in a matter of months after little to no testing. You ignore that the mass production process for the vaccine development differed from the clinical trial production process, which was cleaner & less likely to produce adverse reactions. You also ignored the AZ vaccine & J&J COVID vaccines that were pulled or paused due to clinical safety signals. Why the mRNA ones were allowed to continue given we know the FDA & CDC were aware of the Myocarditis risks in May 2021, we’ll hopefully one day find out.

But please, address the actual points, or admit that you don’t really have a scooby what you’re on about. :)

And you are failing to acknowledge that there aren't any reviews into the areas you want reviews in because the people who are "Life Sciences Academic" - whatever that means - deem those studies to be pointless and a waste of resources.

It's literally no different to the idiots demanding that the US government spends millions/billions/trillions on investigating this UAP shit, and then taking their refusal to do as evidence of some sort of huge cover up operation, when in reality they just know there's nothing worth investigating and it's a massive waste of time.

It's such circular logic. There is no scenario that any of you are wiling to entertain that doesn't lead to you being right, so this entire thing is a complete waste of a discussion.
 
We don’t know what the cause of today’s was, for sure.

And nobody is saying that medical incidents didn’t occur before sport started again, post COVID.

What is undeniable, and one would have to be delusional to claim otherwise, is that the rate of these instances, from punters, and more worryingly, healthy young athletes, globally, across all sports, has increased.

What is utterly baffling and astounding, is that nobody appears to have the appetite to investigate the reason for this thoroughly.

We know that athletes are fitter these days, especially top class athletes and athletes in general are pushing their bodies harder and harder to compete. The stakes are higher than they have ever been and with the pressure and money that can be made, and with more athletes pushing harder, there are bound to be more cases of people pushing to much and ending up with serious problem. Every human body has a limit and that limit is being pushed to extremes and it’s not just at the top level where this is happening, the competition down the levels is increasing for those who haven’t made it yet, and medical monitoring is no where near as robust.

The above coupled with changing protocol at sports events regarding medical incidents in the crowd, more attention is being paid to incidents that have always happened with large crowds of people, but we never got to hear about it. Throw in the side effects and problems we are now hearing about with the covid vaccines and it’s a conspiracy theorists busman’s holiday, when it’s a combination of events and makes logical sense when you think about it, and not just because of one specific cause which some people are adamant it is.
 
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The more likely reason is that there's probably far more one cunts at the matches now, they were only teenagers in the 80s

Are these cunts who are Billy no mates as opposed to cunts in groups. :D
 
We know that athletes are fitter these days, especially top class athletes and athletes in general are pushing their bodies harder and harder to compete. The stakes are higher than they have ever been and with the pressure and money that can be made, and with more athletes pushing harder, there are bound to be more cases of people pushing to much and ending up with serious problem. Every human body has a limit and that limit is being pushed to extremes and it’s not just at the top level where this is happening, the competition down the levels is increasing for those who haven’t made it yet, and medical monitoring is no where near as robust.

The above coupled with changing protocol at sports events regarding medical incidents in the crowd, more attention is being paid to incidents that have always happened with large crowds of people, but we never got to hear about it. Throw in the side effects and problems we are now hearing about with the covid vaccines and it’s a conspiracy theorists busman’s holiday, when it’s a combination of events and makes logical sense when you think about it, and not just because of one specific cause which some people are adamant it is.
Balanced , we don’t know why these people are collapsing, some may be just pissed. The problem many people have is that some people still fail to recognise that there are any significant side effects to those jabs and call anyone who does a tinfoil crank.
 
Balanced , we don’t know why these people are collapsing, some may be just pissed. The problem many people have is that some people still fail to recognise that there are any significant side effects to those jabs and call anyone who does a tinfoil crank.

Pretending that these vaccines have a danger margin that is any different from any other vaccine is full on crankism, I'm afraid.

Every medicine ever produced can cause adverse effects in people. It's usually written on the bottle as a warning. You take a very small gamble any time you put anything into your body that has been synthesised and anybody with an IQ in at least double figures understands that.

The risks around the vaccine were calculated and deemed acceptable and, lo and behold, in billions of vaccines administered there were zero - I'll say that again, zero - complications. A tiny percentage of people suffered adverse effects. Yes, that was to be expected.
Everyone else in the world has moved on with their lives, except for the couple of thousand people who have linked up on social media and who already had a paranoid distrust of the government/pharmacies prior to Covid anyway and are using what everyone else took as an acceptable risk as evidence in their utterly delusional theories.

There is literally no story here.
 
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