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NONSENSE: Conspiracy theories, nonsense and cranks

The following is from a medical forum. The writer prefers to stay anonymous, because presenting any narrative different than the official one can cause you a lot of stress in the toxic environment caused by the scam which surrounds COVID-19 these days.

I work in the healthcare field. Here's the problem, we are testing people for any strain of a Coronavirus. Not specifically for COVID-19. There are no reliable tests for a specific COVID-19 virus. There are no reliable agencies or media outlets for reporting numbers of actual COVID-19 virus cases. This needs to be addressed first and foremost. Every action and reaction to COVID-19 is based on totally flawed data and we simply can not make accurate assessments.
This is why you're hearing that most people with COVID-19 are showing nothing more than cold/flu like symptoms. That's because most Coronavirus strains are nothing more than cold/flu like symptoms. The few actual novel Coronavirus cases do have some worse respiratory responses, but still have a very promising recovery rate, especially for those without prior issues.
The ‘gold standard’ in testing for COVID-19 is laboratory isolated/purified coronavirus particles free from any contaminants and particles that look like viruses but are not, that have been proven to be the cause of the syndrome known as COVID-19 and obtained by using proper viral isolation methods and controls (not the PCR that is currently being used or Serology /antibody tests which do not detect virus as such). PCR basically takes a sample of your cells and amplifies any DNA to look for ‘viral sequences’, i.e. bits of non-human DNA that seem to match parts of a known viral genome.
The problem is the test is known not to work.
It uses ‘amplification’ which means taking a very very tiny amount of DNA and growing it exponentially until it can be analyzed. Obviously any minute contaminations in the sample will also be amplified leading to potentially gross errors of discovery.
Additionally, it’s only looking for partial viral sequences, not whole genomes, so identifying a single pathogen is next to impossible even if you ignore the other issues.
The Mickey Mouse test kits being sent out to hospitals, at best, tell analysts you have some viral DNA in your cells. Which most of us do, most of the time. It may tell you the viral sequence is related to a specific type of virus – say the huge family of coronavirus. But that’s all. The idea these kits can isolate a specific virus like COVID-19 is nonsense.
And that’s not even getting into the other issue – viral load.
If you remember the PCR works by amplifying minute amounts of DNA. It therefore is useless at telling you how much virus you may have. And that’s the only question that really matters when it comes to diagnosing illness. Everyone will have a few virus kicking round in their system at any time, and most will not cause illness because their quantities are too small. For a virus to sicken you you need a lot of it, a massive amount of it. But PCR does not test viral load and therefore can’t determine if a osteogenesis is present in sufficient quantities to sicken you.
If you feel sick and get a PCR test any random virus DNA might be identified even if they aren’t at all involved in your sickness which leads to false diagnosis.
And coronavirus are incredibly common. A large percentage of the world human population will have covi DNA in them in small quantities even if they are perfectly well or sick with some other pathogen.
Do you see where this is going yet? If you want to create a totally false panic about a totally false pandemic – pick a coronavirus.
They are incredibly common and there’s tons of them. A very high percentage of people who have become sick by other means (flu, bacterial pneumonia, anything) will have a positive PCR test for covi even if you’re doing them properly and ruling out contamination, simply because covis are so common.
There are hundreds of thousands of flu and pneumonia victims in hospitals throughout the world at any one time.
All you need to do is select the sickest of these in a single location – say Wuhan – administer PCR tests to them and claim anyone showing viral sequences similar to a coronavirus (which will inevitably be quite a few) is suffering from a ‘new’ disease.
Since you already selected the sickest flu cases a fairly high proportion of your sample will go on to die.
You can then say this ‘new’ virus has a CFR higher than the flu and use this to infuse more concern and do more tests which will of course produce more ‘cases’, which expands the testing, which produces yet more ‘cases’ and so on and so on.
Before long you have your ‘pandemic’, and all you have done is use a simple test kit trick to convert the worst flu and pneumonia cases into something new that doesn’t actually exist.
Now just run the same scam in other countries. Making sure to keep the fear message running high so that people will feel panicky and less able to think critically.
Your only problem is going to be that – due to the fact there is no actual new deadly pathogen but just regular sick people, you are mislabeling your case numbers, and especially your deaths, are going to be way too low for a real new deadly virus pandemic.

But you can stop people pointing this out in several ways.
1. You can claim this is just the beginning and more deaths are imminent. Use this as an excuse to quarantine everyone and then claim the quarantine prevented the expected millions of dead.
2. You can tell people that ‘minimizing’ the dangers is irresponsible and bully them into not talking about numbers.
3. You can talk crap about made up numbers hoping to blind people with pseudoscience.
4. You can start testing well people (who, of course, will also likely have shreds of coronavirus DNA in them) and thus inflate your ‘case figures’ with ‘asymptomatic carriers’ (you will of course have to spin that to sound deadly even though any virologist knows the more symptom-less cases you have the less deadly is your pathogen.
Take these 4 simple steps and you can have your own entirely manufactured pandemic up and running in weeks.
They can not "confirm" something for which there is no accurate test.

:D
 
SmellyDirtBox said:
The following is from a medical forum. The writer prefers to stay anonymous, because presenting any narrative different than the official one can cause you a lot of stress in the toxic environment caused by the scam which surrounds COVID-19 these days.

I work in the healthcare field. Here's the problem, we are testing people for any strain of a Coronavirus. Not specifically for COVID-19. There are no reliable tests for a specific COVID-19 virus. There are no reliable agencies or media outlets for reporting numbers of actual COVID-19 virus cases. This needs to be addressed first and foremost. Every action and reaction to COVID-19 is based on totally flawed data and we simply can not make accurate assessments.
This is why you're hearing that most people with COVID-19 are showing nothing more than cold/flu like symptoms. That's because most Coronavirus strains are nothing more than cold/flu like symptoms. The few actual novel Coronavirus cases do have some worse respiratory responses, but still have a very promising recovery rate, especially for those without prior issues.
The ‘gold standard’ in testing for COVID-19 is laboratory isolated/purified coronavirus particles free from any contaminants and particles that look like viruses but are not, that have been proven to be the cause of the syndrome known as COVID-19 and obtained by using proper viral isolation methods and controls (not the PCR that is currently being used or Serology /antibody tests which do not detect virus as such). PCR basically takes a sample of your cells and amplifies any DNA to look for ‘viral sequences’, i.e. bits of non-human DNA that seem to match parts of a known viral genome.
The problem is the test is known not to work.
It uses ‘amplification’ which means taking a very very tiny amount of DNA and growing it exponentially until it can be analyzed. Obviously any minute contaminations in the sample will also be amplified leading to potentially gross errors of discovery.
Additionally, it’s only looking for partial viral sequences, not whole genomes, so identifying a single pathogen is next to impossible even if you ignore the other issues.
The Mickey Mouse test kits being sent out to hospitals, at best, tell analysts you have some viral DNA in your cells. Which most of us do, most of the time. It may tell you the viral sequence is related to a specific type of virus – say the huge family of coronavirus. But that’s all. The idea these kits can isolate a specific virus like COVID-19 is nonsense.
And that’s not even getting into the other issue – viral load.
If you remember the PCR works by amplifying minute amounts of DNA. It therefore is useless at telling you how much virus you may have. And that’s the only question that really matters when it comes to diagnosing illness. Everyone will have a few virus kicking round in their system at any time, and most will not cause illness because their quantities are too small. For a virus to sicken you you need a lot of it, a massive amount of it. But PCR does not test viral load and therefore can’t determine if a osteogenesis is present in sufficient quantities to sicken you.
If you feel sick and get a PCR test any random virus DNA might be identified even if they aren’t at all involved in your sickness which leads to false diagnosis.
And coronavirus are incredibly common. A large percentage of the world human population will have covi DNA in them in small quantities even if they are perfectly well or sick with some other pathogen.
Do you see where this is going yet? If you want to create a totally false panic about a totally false pandemic – pick a coronavirus.
They are incredibly common and there’s tons of them. A very high percentage of people who have become sick by other means (flu, bacterial pneumonia, anything) will have a positive PCR test for covi even if you’re doing them properly and ruling out contamination, simply because covis are so common.
There are hundreds of thousands of flu and pneumonia victims in hospitals throughout the world at any one time.
All you need to do is select the sickest of these in a single location – say Wuhan – administer PCR tests to them and claim anyone showing viral sequences similar to a coronavirus (which will inevitably be quite a few) is suffering from a ‘new’ disease.
Since you already selected the sickest flu cases a fairly high proportion of your sample will go on to die.
You can then say this ‘new’ virus has a CFR higher than the flu and use this to infuse more concern and do more tests which will of course produce more ‘cases’, which expands the testing, which produces yet more ‘cases’ and so on and so on.
Before long you have your ‘pandemic’, and all you have done is use a simple test kit trick to convert the worst flu and pneumonia cases into something new that doesn’t actually exist.
Now just run the same scam in other countries. Making sure to keep the fear message running high so that people will feel panicky and less able to think critically.
Your only problem is going to be that – due to the fact there is no actual new deadly pathogen but just regular sick people, you are mislabeling your case numbers, and especially your deaths, are going to be way too low for a real new deadly virus pandemic.

But you can stop people pointing this out in several ways.
1. You can claim this is just the beginning and more deaths are imminent. Use this as an excuse to quarantine everyone and then claim the quarantine prevented the expected millions of dead.
2. You can tell people that ‘minimizing’ the dangers is irresponsible and bully them into not talking about numbers.
3. You can talk crap about made up numbers hoping to blind people with pseudoscience.
4. You can start testing well people (who, of course, will also likely have shreds of coronavirus DNA in them) and thus inflate your ‘case figures’ with ‘asymptomatic carriers’ (you will of course have to spin that to sound deadly even though any virologist knows the more symptom-less cases you have the less deadly is your pathogen.
Take these 4 simple steps and you can have your own entirely manufactured pandemic up and running in weeks.
They can not "confirm" something for which there is no accurate test.

:D
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Sorry, lost interest and didn't read it all, I'll come back to it later I promise.

There is only really one figure that matters regarding the impact of covid-19, or any other bug that is floating around, and that's the ICU bed occupancy. It doesn't matter what the fuck is wrong with someone (except I believe there might be some covid specific treatments) what matters is that they need an ICU bed. If the bed occupancy rate is much higher than usual, and all the anecdotal evidence from Drs, nurses etc says it is, then there is something floating around infecting people and making them seriously ill. If the NHS runs out of ICU beds then more people will die, so action has to be taken to keep the occupancy rate manageable.


EDIT: That's not to say he doesn't raise some interesting points that should be cleared up.

EDIT2: OK, read it all. He's missing an absolutely vital element to any conspiracy theory. Why? He has explained how you could maybe create a pandemic that doesn't really exit (again, ICU bed occupancy would put paid to that) but he doesn't explain why you would want to do it. Poor effort, 4/10.
 
Give a dag a bone said:
"Tom Hanks has a torture chamber built in his house where he rapes kids"

She knows this because the builders told somebody.

Tom "Can you secretly build me a torture chamber in my house on the down low please"

Builder "Well sure Mr Hanks, what size room were you thinking"

Tom "Oh I'd not really thought? Big enough to rape children perhaps, maybe paint some cartoon characters on the wall. Woody from Toy Story sodomising Buzz Lightyear would be my preference"

Builder "Ok Mr Hanks .............................. that's, er, quite funny"

Tom "I'm not joking. You won't tell anyone will you?"

Builder "Of course not Mr Hanks, you'd tell all your friends I did a terrible job if I did wouldn't you, wouldn't want my business drying up"

Tom "Indeed"

Builder "So I won't go to the police and tell them, I wouldn't want Hollywood black listing me. But how about I tell other people anonymously, you know so they can tell everyone on youtube that you're raping kids in your torture chamber?"

Tom "Yeah, so that's ok. Just do it anonymously"

Builder "Will do Mr Hanks, enjoy your child raping"
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This, in a nutshell, explains why every major conspiracy theory is complete bollocks because they work on the assumption that everybody asked will be a willing participant and no-one will blow the whistle.
 
red red robbo said:
Sorry, lost interest and didn't read it all, I'll come back to it later I promise.

There is only really one figure that matters regarding the impact of covid-19, or any other bug that is floating around, and that's the ICU bed occupancy. It doesn't matter what the fuck is wrong with someone (except I believe there might be some covid specific treatments) what matters is that they need an ICU bed. If the bed occupancy rate is much higher than usual, and all the anecdotal evidence from Drs, nurses etc says it is, then there is something floating around infecting people and making them seriously ill. If the NHS runs out of ICU beds then more people will die, so action has to be taken to keep the occupancy rate manageable.


EDIT: That's not to say he doesn't raise some interesting points that should be cleared up.

EDIT2: OK, read it all. He's missing an absolutely vital element to any conspiracy theory. Why? He has explained how you could maybe create a pandemic that doesn't really exit (again, ICU bed occupancy would put paid to that) but he doesn't explain why you would want to do it. Poor effort, 4/10.
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Well it gives them the chance to raid Tom Hanks' place and rescue the kids he rapes in his torture chamber :rolleyes:

The thing with this conspiracy is it's almost an open goal for the conspiracy theorists. I mean keeping people off work and in their houses allows so much to be done unseen such as ...........................

* Execute the homeless, there's too many of them
* Execute illegal immigrants (see above)
* The military messed up a bio test in America so they've invented covid 19 as a smoke screen
* Aliens have made contact and are landing in Central Park
* Government are secretly installing mind control devices everywhere
* Trump is waging war against the lizard people from the sewers
* It's an experiment to see how many comply in preparation for the real lock-down to do any of the above

Now any of these things could be possible, however unlikely. But when the "stay in your homes" thing is thrown into the equation, it makes some people think that the 'proof' is stronger. The problem is I've not seen any 'proof' of anything other than the 'stay inside' request, which in itself isn't evidence of anything.

I've heard the recorded voice of somebody saying "They're bringing deformed children who've been sexually abused out from the tunnels during this lock down, a friend who's a nurse told me". Now it could be true, but they could have said anything and some would believe it because they want to. Who is this person, how do we know they're reliable? Which site on the net 'leaked' this recording, have they been right about these things in the past? How can the number of people that would have to be involved in this keep it secret, apart from just one nurse who decides to just tell her friend who happily tells somebody who then puts it on the internet?

Again it could be true but where's the evidence?
 
Give a dag a bone said:
Well it gives them the chance to raid Tom Hanks' place and rescue the kids he rapes in his torture chamber :rolleyes:

The thing with this conspiracy is it's almost an open goal for the conspiracy theorists. I mean keeping people off work and in their houses allows so much to be done unseen such as ...........................

* Execute the homeless, there's too many of them
* Execute illegal immigrants (see above)
* The military messed up a bio test in America so they've invented covid 19 as a smoke screen
* Aliens have made contact and are landing in Central Park
* Government are secretly installing mind control devices everywhere
* Trump is waging war against the lizard people from the sewers
* It's an experiment to see how many comply in preparation for the real lock-down to do any of the above

Now any of these things could be possible, however unlikely. But when the "stay in your homes" thing is thrown into the equation, it makes some people think that the 'proof' is stronger. The problem is I've not seen any 'proof' of anything other than the 'stay inside' request, which in itself isn't evidence of anything.

I've heard the recorded voice of somebody saying "They're bringing deformed children who've been sexually abused out from the tunnels during this lock down, a friend who's a nurse told me". Now it could be true, but they could have said anything and some would believe it because they want to. Who is this person, how do we know they're reliable? Which site on the net 'leaked' this recording, have they been right about these things in the past? How can the number of people that would have to be involved in this keep it secret, apart from just one nurse who decides to just tell her friend who happily tells somebody who then puts it on the internet?

Again it could be true but where's the evidence?
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One thing is for certain is that eversince BJ decided too involve the Police their has been some really over-zelous antic's going-on such as ordering various shops not too sell Easter Eggs because they don't consider them too be essential items & yet Im certain that any parent would disagree in the strongest terms as they don't want grumpy kids on Easter Sunday & therfor those Eggs represent their sanity so they are essential & if only the Police put as much enthusiasam into do into catching criminals afterall that is what they are supposed too be getting paid for & talking of their lack of numbers too tackle crime that they often cite as the main thing holding them back from doing their job correctly & yet they have had no problem finding high numbers of colleages too go around dishing out fines during this lockdown for some really petty things sush a lady sitting peacfuly on a bench with a very small bottle of Preseco & a little thumble-type glass too drink it out of it & as she said too, Jeremy Vine a few days ago she had just stopped for a little rest whilst having her daily walk & they just zoomed-in on her & yet we can be certain that 5 minutes walk away there was probobly some poor old woman or man being mugged for their pension & all I can say too sum-up this totel madness is that in the words of, Terry Hall & his Funboy three band of the early 80's, The Lunatics Have Taken Over The Asylem!
 
jose_mourinho said:
So if wuhan was a test bed for 5g then is it not reasonable to think maybe there’s some sort of link?

Even if they’re wrong, it kind of makes sense to question it a bit?
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I suppose you could excuse someone wanting to see if there was a link however unlikely, but that’s it.
 
we shall not be moved said:
Callum best said to do it, surely someone of his stature would know ?
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Although this adds huge weight to the arguement, the jury is still out for me until Brooklyn Beckham gives his verdict
 
gspaddock said:
Irrespective of Coronavirus, we're doomed.
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For all it’s good, this really is a downside of the internet and social media especially.

I think these retards have always existed, I remember years ago had to get a specialist in to fix a machine at work who travelled from somewhere, he had a magazine with all these fucking mental conspiracy theories in that he was showing us and telling us about how these lizards and what not controlled the world, but in those days it must have been such a specialist clientele in these little groups who saw this shit, nowadays millions and millions of brain dead idiots can be targeted in seconds.
 
Woldcarr said:
For all it’s good, this really is a downside of the internet and social media especially.

I think these retards have always existed, I remember years ago had to get a specialist in to fix a machine at work who travelled from somewhere, he had a magazine with all these fucking mental conspiracy theories in that he was showing us and telling us about how these lizards and what not controlled the world, but in those days it must have been such a specialist clientele in these little groups who saw this shit, nowadays millions and millions of brain dead idiots can be targeted in seconds.
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Wasn’t to bad a few decades ago. 4 tv channels and 4 newspapers.
Fuck me you can turn on the tv now and have access to tv programmes like hunting UFO’s an Bigfoot and there’s a Fucking audience for it.
 
emm_you_eff_see said:
Cases and Deaths appear to be on a gradual downward slope in Italy. Spain’s numbers appear to be flattening atop a peak - can we assume that for Europe atleast we’re approaching the end of the first wave?
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Don't get your hopes up too soon. They are about to bring online the second tranche of 5G towers.
 
jose_mourinho said:
So if wuhan was a test bed for 5g then is it not reasonable to think maybe there’s some sort of link?

Even if they’re wrong, it kind of makes sense to question it a bit?

People have been warning us about the dangers of 5g for years
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Sir, I raise my hat to the sheer subtlety of your wummery
 
Andnumber11wasGordonHill said:
One thing is for certain is that eversince BJ decided too involve the Police their has been some really over-zelous antic's going-on such as ordering various shops not too sell Easter Eggs because they don't consider them too be essential items & yet Im certain that any parent would disagree in the strongest terms as they don't want grumpy kids on Easter Sunday & therfor those Eggs represent their sanity so they are essential & if only the Police put as much enthusiasam into do into catching criminals afterall that is what they are supposed too be getting paid for & talking of their lack of numbers too tackle crime that they often cite as the main thing holding them back from doing their job correctly & yet they have had no problem finding high numbers of colleages too go around dishing out fines during this lockdown for some really petty things sush a lady sitting peacfuly on a bench with a very small bottle of Preseco & a little thumble-type glass too drink it out of it & as she said too, Jeremy Vine a few days ago she had just stopped for a little rest whilst having her daily walk & they just zoomed-in on her & yet we can be certain that 5 minutes walk away there was probobly some poor old woman or man being mugged for their pension & all I can say too sum-up this totel madness is that in the words of, Terry Hall & his Funboy three band of the early 80's, The Lunatics Have Taken Over The Asylem!
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Well yes, sounds very much like bored, over zealous police officers there rather than a conspiracy theory to me.
 
Perhaps a post that belongs in the "batshit conspiracy theories" thread, but I see some 5g in the Merseyside area got set on fire last night, apparently in relation to all this Coronavirus stuff, as some people see a "connection".
 
Peteski said:
Perhaps a post that belongs in the "batshit conspiracy theories" thread, but I see some 5g in the Merseyside area got set on fire last night, apparently in relation to all this Coronavirus stuff, as some people see a "connection".
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There has been the same stuff since mobile phone masts were put up.

My old boss had a place in Lindos which had a mast at the back of the garden. Some locals died of cancer and the whole town turned on him, blaming the mast.

He ended up getting arrested by the major to appease the locals and told to remove the mast or he couldn’t protect him.

There are some crazy fuckers about.
 
Peteski said:
Perhaps a post that belongs in the "batshit conspiracy theories" thread, but I see some 5g in the Merseyside area got set on fire last night, apparently in relation to all this Coronavirus stuff, as some people see a "connection".
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Coronavirus? The American Fucking Numbnuts virus is spreading fast too. They need to wall of that Mersey shithole and hope it can be contained there. :eek:
 
jose_mourinho said:
So if wuhan was a test bed for 5g then is it not reasonable to think maybe there’s some sort of link?

Even if they’re wrong, it kind of makes sense to question it a bit?

People have been warning us about the dangers of 5g for years
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What’s up with it by the way?
 
Peteski said:
Perhaps a post that belongs in the "batshit conspiracy theories" thread, but I see some 5g in the Merseyside area got set on fire last night, apparently in relation to all this Coronavirus stuff, as some people see a "connection".
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One was on fire in Birmingham the day before I think.
 
Give a dag a bone said:
If the Government wanted to spread diseases, wouldn't it be easier and cheaper to do it through the water supply or similar?
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The 5G thing is possibly less 'out there' than a lot of other conspiracy theories.

5G itself was a military thing to start with, something to do with rays which they tested on pigs, causing extreme pain. They then as a side issue found the benefits of media use, rather like radar power stations cooking pigeons in WW2....a side effect of the cavity magnetron producing micro waves which in turn led to the invention of the popular kitchen item..........Who knows, we seem to rush headlong into things as a species with catastrophic consequences now and then.

The benefit of masts transmitting something is you could turn its power up/down or on/off as necessary?

Arsenic was once used in many, many industries and described as the wonder of the age, it was even used in make up..... Then of course we had the wonder material, asbestos!

Who knows?..... I certainly don't, but my mind is open unless you start banging on about the earth being round.....That's the biggest and most loony tunes one of the whole bunch!
 
mikeb said:
Covid-19 was devised and released by David Gill to stop the scousers winning the league. .:eek:
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After he was solely responsible for fucking city off in the European Cup of course :D
 
Give a dag a bone said:
If the Government wanted to spread diseases, wouldn't it be easier and cheaper to do it through the water supply or similar?
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They don't want to spread disease but it is possible that if billions had been spent on a project deemed vital to the world economy, then a relatively few deaths would be acceptable collateral damage to most governments, certainly the Tories.
That's not to say I think this is the case, just a possibility. Assuming this was the case, bear with me, it then becomes a matter of when they knew it was harmful, there's obviously a point of no return. Maybe they didn't think it would go this far and they're shitting themselves now because it's not just the old and infirm that are dying.
Again, this is all just speculation of a possible scenario, not something I am convinced is true.
 
Snakeskin_Eddie said:
They don't want to spread disease but it is possible that if billions had been spent on a project deemed vital to the world economy, then a relatively few deaths would be acceptable collateral damage to most governments, certainly the Tories.
That's not to say I think this is the case, just a possibility. Assuming this was the case, bear with me, it then becomes a matter of when they knew it was harmful, there's obviously a point of no return. Maybe they didn't think it would go this far and they're shitting themselves now because it's not just the old and infirm that are dying.
Again, this is all just speculation of a possible scenario, not something I am convinced is true.
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I read it as them deliberately creating it to create a disease, rather than a side effect of something unintentionally harming folk. Coming from than angle I was purposing there'd be cheaper and easier ways to do things.

So if it's a side effect, then of course look into it. However right now they're spending billions trying to save lives, which kind of goes against them knowing 5G is harmful but saying nothing as it would be billions wasted? I appreciate that of those two scenarios, one results in them accepting responsibility and the other one doesn't, so who knows?
 
Icanhasblurjob? said:
The Kennedy assassination. Old hat but some interesting facts that many may not know:

  • Joseph Kennedy made a deal with Sam Giancana to deliver Illinois in the 1960 presidential election. Kennedy beat Nixon by 100,000 votes - scraped home
  • Giancana's price was a promise that JFK would not attempt to attack the organized crime families.
  • Bobby Kennedy, as Attorney General, conducted an extensive crusade against organized crime which caused the crime families (or groups if you like) a lot of pain. Something had to be done, especially as Joe Kennedy had promised them they would not be seriously attacked with JFK as President.
  • The Mafia could not go after Bobby Kennedy as his brother would move heaven and earth to take them down. However, if they took out JFK, with Johnson waiting in the wings - who hated Bobby, then they would be safe and sound as Bobby would no longer be Attorney General and Johnson would get what he wanted out of it all and this what happened.

    Just some facts about one of the elements with motives to want Kennedy dead - a matter of survival as they saw it. Cuban revolutionaries, the CIA, Soviets...all had strong reasons to see him gone. This here is just the organized crime reasons (their links to Cuban exiles is another story - If anyone's interested). :)

PS: One of Fergie's main passions is the JFK assassination. :)
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Have you read "The Devil's Chessboard"? Sounds like it. A great book.
 
David icke interview banned from YouTube :eek:

[ame]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DjXuixiN8fg[/ame]
 
This'll be a bit embarrassing and worrying if the Russians did genuinely know that Boris was in a worse condition than what the press releases were letting on here
 
jose_mourinho said:
David icke interview banned from YouTube :eek:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DjXuixiN8fg
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Considering youtube allows so many Icke videos to be posted on all sorts of subjects, I don't see why they'd suddenly remove this one posted today? Having no idea what it was about, I can only guess it was probably covid 19 related?

If so then I imagine they have either a self imposed or Government imposed ban on this topic, especially if it's controversial. So for instance if somebody is saying it doesn't exist etc, they don't want people going out believing it to be safe?

Rather than youtube worrying that Icke is right, they're probably just being responsible and cautious.
 
Tall people can’t catch the Coronavirus
 
Give a dag a bone said:
Considering youtube allows so many Icke videos to be posted on all sorts of subjects, I don't see why they'd suddenly remove this one posted today? Having no idea what it was about, I can only guess it was probably covid 19 related?

If so then I imagine they have either a self imposed or Government imposed ban on this topic, especially if it's controversial. So for instance if somebody is saying it doesn't exist etc, they don't want people going out believing it to be safe?

Rather than youtube worrying that Icke is right, they're probably just being responsible and cautious.
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What did he say?
 
Give a dag a bone said:
Considering youtube allows so many Icke videos to be posted on all sorts of subjects, I don't see why they'd suddenly remove this one posted today? Having no idea what it was about, I can only guess it was probably covid 19 related?

If so then I imagine they have either a self imposed or Government imposed ban on this topic, especially if it's controversial. So for instance if somebody is saying it doesn't exist etc, they don't want people going out believing it to be safe?

Rather than youtube worrying that Icke is right, they're probably just being responsible and cautious.
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Fair point mate, I didn't even watch the original tbh, was obviously the most watched video on YouTube today or yesterday going off what he said was always gonna raise a few eyebrows if it's about corona

Edit : original video here - https://londonreal.tv/the-coronavir...e-your-rights-destroy-our-economy-david-icke/
 
jose_mourinho said:
Fair point mate, I didn't even watch the original tbh, was obviously the most watched video on YouTube today or yesterday going off what he said was always gonna raise a few eyebrows if it's about corona

Edit : original video here - https://londonreal.tv/the-coronavir...e-your-rights-destroy-our-economy-david-icke/
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I've listened to Icke a good few times, purely for some of the interesting stuff he comes out with. He's obviously a very intelligent bloke in many ways however I do think he has some mental health problems. He can talk sensibly for ages raising great points and then suddenly mentions the royal family being shape shifters and you think ".......................................... ok"
 
This is it

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUHOXa6-mAA[/ame]
 
:D youtube removed it, it was on there for 30 minutes
 
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